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Anybody know where to pick up a water pump for a 1989 piston bully 270ds?. Mohawk does not have one in stock and they say there is not one located in the United State's. Anybody that could help out on possible locating one give you let me know. Either post a message or send me a private message.
Any shops in the Syracuse area that possible would sell something like this or any area for that matter??????.
Thanks.
If you google /search used groomers there are a bunch of dealers with used groomers/parts
I'd try posting it on here as well if you haven't already.
http://s8.zetaboards.com/snowgroomingtalk/index/
? is the water pump a PB only item...I would say no is it not part of the motor. I would look at the MOTOR manufracture for a pump. Mush cheaper and avaible...I would think.
Mercedes Benz motor parts located at Penn Detroit Diesel in Syracuse. Have the engine model and serial number with you and they will get you the part. Also cheaper than a dealer.
I Knew you would have the answer.....Thanks 800 :)
Revracer800.. If Penn Detroit can't get you one let me know as it might be possible to rebuild the one you have.
Paul and bbxlt,
how'd that other PB work go?? The 170-D.
I think it went really well. We found a bad crimp on a spade treminal that runs the left side drive servo. I cut the bad one off and soldered a new one on and the steering now works. The other problem we found was a bad what Pisten Bully calls " transmitter". Today new cars call it a throttle position sensor. Once they get a new one they should be good to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by 800cc28
too bad it is so hard to get parts for bully's they are a good trail grooming machine . as i said in a post last year this would probably be a problem now that some clubs try to built there own groomers out of farm and garden tractor's and hurt bully sales , how can they afford to stock parts . i just saw a kabota yard tractor with sousy tracks and a snow plow getting a flat bed ride to sick bay . must be a big problem because the club owner who built it usally does his own wrench'g . the problem is that the machine was over loaded when they put all the groomer ad on's on it and it cant handle the stress it will just cost the club supporters more money and if it snow's there will be less grooming done by the club , i suggested getting a bully and were told they were no good , all the problems ive seen except for pals is improper storage and maint, bully the pro's grooming equipment ;)
our tuckers get the same storage and maint; same bldg. same wrenches and same mechanic. our tuckers will pull the same mogul master that the bully will. cooks is easier to deal with; faster service; more stock on shelf and they can keep their own fleet running. i knew we were in trouble the day they delivered the bully with a pick up truck; they said both big trucks were broke down; twice; the day we had them deliver a demonstrator and then when they delivered our new machine. the demo didn't have a drag. we had no idea how it would pull a drag. now i know why the guys did so much bladding to accomplish what we did with a mogulmaster/tucker combo; the bully couldn't pull the drag with the front blades on the ground. the company should not have sold a drag that the machine couldn't handle. the guys from our club responsable for buying that machine had no clue; and club satisfaction was not the first priority. thats my honest opinion :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by justfrfun
You know what they say about opinions! Everyone has one. Yours must be the only right one on TC. Have another cookie. It will keep your mouth busy and your hands full. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by old jerry
wish i could; diabetic! damn you guys! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dash4
Type 1 or 2?Quote:
Originally Posted by old jerry
Until you operate a bully and a tractor you wont know. Pb are hard to get parts for, and parts are more expensive. Tractors are made to pullQuote:
Originally Posted by justfrfun
have driven them both , a bully with 8000 hrs on it and a tractor with 500 guese wich one did the beter job and had minor problems. if tractors are made to pull why are they always broke down with very low milage on them in the first and second year of there operations . they may work a few hours at a time on the farm but if farmers ran them 10 hours aday . milk would be 10 a gallon to cover repair cost , also they are not set up for the extreme cold like comericial groomers , go to any tractor store and get a book of trail groomers and models and post it here so we can all see one .you might find bombardier , pisten bully and tucker .as manufactred sno trail groomers.
LOL ask Jonnyboy at Timberview about that one or maybe the FAST guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by nysierra
its obvious; you never did any haying from 2hrs after sunrise till dark, the tractors never shut down; i'm not in favor of using farm tractors for pulling drags; but there is a much larger market for resale later down the road and your not selling to a broke non profit organization! i believe that is a big plus with the tractor. BCSP seems to do ok with the green machine! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by justfrfun
http://www.nmpf.org/files/file/Cost%...Production.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by justfrfun
i think that link should show you that farmer's arn't the ones controllling the price of milk, they don't spend more than they make at times just for fun (and that is per 100pounds of milk) i'm sure any farmer would be glad to get $10 per gallon
and as far as the not set up for cold weather and not running 10 hours a day. i've been around some operations that don't shut a tractor down for days except between operators and unlike a lot of jobs where when it gets too cold you can just finish the job another day, cows don't wait for anything (and never get Christmas off, don't care if you have a hangover) and they must be fed (by tractor usually) whether its 100 or -30
so if i had to choose a machine that was built to work, i'll take a tractor anyday plus i imagine they would be much cheaper to maintain
type 2; i think it had to do with agent orange cocktails for 4 yrs. main problem is eatin is my favorite passtime :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by 05600sdi
What are Pisten Bully machines specifically built for?? Snow grooming operations! End of story. I concur with the statement that you should buy the equipment for what it was made for.
if you think farmers only run them a few hrs, what, you only have like 10 cows? old jerry is right! As far as Timberveiw, that may be operator involved, seeing how the dealer wants to put an operator of their choice in the seat. Extreme cold?? YOU are clue less, BCSP, STH ,LTrails , Brant., none of them shut down in the extreme cold . Ever been ridiing in Canada? probably 90% + Tractor groomers up there. Diesel- keep 'em from gelling - your set. It dont matter what the clubs have , everyone tries something different, and has diff likes - OH , put a 6 bottom plow in the dirt and hook it up to all groomers made and you'll see what pulls better!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by 800cc28
PB weren't designed to pull drags, they were designed for snow tillers and the likes moving snow around teh hills and airaiting it.
Let me share something with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Countryboy
http://www.katvpb.com/edge_trail.html
http://www.katvpb.com/edge_trail_specs.html
That is the machine the Barnes Corners Sno-pals have.
800cc28 Thank's for the info for Penn Detriot.
They were able to get the part we needed they are gonna have it shipped overnight and it will be here tomorrow morning sometime.
And Thank's to everyone else to helped out also. I knew i could count on someone from this website to help out.
thanks paul nice info , some just dont understand , i wonder why people dont go to sears by a lawn tractor put tracks on the rear and ski's on the frnt and call it a snomobuggy oj you are right but they dont run the tractors 3 months around the clock in fridget weather half the tractors ive seen wont evan start in the winter, my case dont unless i drown it with starting fluid and nothing wants to work after it starts the point is if every one bought groomers . the dealers might be able to stock some parts there is nothing wrong with tucker or bombardier either i just like what bullys do for the trails :cool:
Thanks for the education Paul. I was just going by what the PB were originally designed for, didn't know they were trying to cater to the trail grooming also.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul@northernchateau.com
I think there is some confusion and let me take a min to explain something.
To me it doesn't matter if it is a Pisten Bully, Bombardier, Tucker, John Deere, Case, Kubuta, Cat or Cummings we are talking about a diesel engine.
Unlike a gas motor that has a spark plug a diesel takes heat and/or pressure to get the fuel burning. On a cold motor there is a "Glow Plug" to help get the party started, but it has it limits.
IMO if you live in the northeast you should have some sort of cold weather package on your motor in the form of a block heater and a hydraulic oil tank heater. I don't care if your going to take your kids to school in your diesel pick up, plow the back 40 with your tractor or groomer the trails, a diesel is a whole lot happier being started when there is some heat in it. Warm the hydrualic oil up and things work better. Also read the owners manual and select the proper weight oil for the temperature you will be operating in.
And an added note......My ford compact tractor (in the manual) states it is addivised that it drink kero when the temps are below 40 F. Plug it in for an hour and it starts like it was a summer day.
i've noticed when we delute fuel with kero; it takes a lot of punch out of the machine [power loss] this ultra low sulpher also causes headaches; but the new machine will burn just about anything. just amazing what they did with diesels over the years. we had one problem with our cummins/allison combo and the guy came down from vermont with his laptop computor and had it fixed in 5 minutes; that kinda blew my mind! :eek:
a lot of new diesels are set up for that new taxable fuel sold at gas pumps and when you try going backwards with a # 2oil and kero mix the computor says somthing is wrong and the engine will run but has severe power loss and wont run smooth
I think you will find that #1 diesel or kero do pack less punch compared to #2 diesel but, they both take less to get going therefore improving cold startability.Quote:
Originally Posted by old jerry
You quoted the wrong guy. I never said anything about farmers and cows??? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by nysierra
go down to evans kabota , and see brants kabota with the rear end ripped out .while your there ask how many times it happend to this brand new tractor , last year it sat in the barn so it didnt break ,this year one of the favored operator's is using it its broke . while there look at the clock and see how many trail hours on it and how much it has cost us club supporters in repairs and modifications ,that would not be nessasry with a pisten bully or bombardier or evan a tucker , yup tractor's really pull :eek:
i doubt kabota makes anything over 200 thousand dollars; thats like comparing mellons to olives! while the bully is down; its the green machine that kept things going. sorry try again! :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by justfrfun
Just a thought I would like to put out there. Are we seeing damage tothe tractor because of the tracks? Are the tracks hooking to well? Then add a operator the has the Dif locked....there is no slip in the drive train. This will take a rear faster then lose bolt. I understand that you will also raise hell with a PB or similar tracked machine if there is not suffecent snow cover. The tracks dig into the soil and will break some thing. Just my thoughts wouldl like to hear some others.
Here is a link you might like so you can see what machines Soucy can and has put tracks on
http://www.soucy-track.com/en/surfaceuse/surfaceuse.asp
jerry before you stab the post who said any thing about a kabota costing 200 k , how can any one exspect a 40 k yard toy tractor to groom trails . it faild big time at supporters wallet exspense . that was the point . a real groomer could have been bought with the wasted money and better trails for all . thats my thinking by the time its over the repairs and modifications might be 200 k at club supporters exspence
If you are worried about wasted money go to a NYSSA meeting in the spring and listen carefully, and another spot , some clubs get paid good money south of us that dont get snow to groom ,1 ,2 times a year if that. {wasted money } There are many groomers clubs can purchase, its up to the clubs, every club experiments a little i think. If you worry about money, go to a club meeting that you belong to {if you dont already}, and be involved. Eguipment breaks, dont matter how much or little it cost. Believe it or not, to most clubs { the ones i'm invovled with anyway}, manage the club like a business, they manage for future cost, with grooming ,there are alot $$$$$$.Quote:
Originally Posted by justfrfun
You mean kinda like that Arborvitae Club was in Osceola?Quote:
Originally Posted by nysierra