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    Quote Originally Posted by hamcotrailrider View Post
    Journal & Republican: Lewis officials continue rec patrol discussion behind closed doors
    http://www.journalandrepublican.com/...doors-20170331
    Thanks for keeping us in the loop. I would not have seen this article otherwise.

    Big picture:
    Those that contacted legislators and law enforcement have had an impact. The fact that this discussion is occurring is a result of the handful of people on this site, semi-coordinated by Carol and Todd, that took the time to make a call and/or drop a line.

    I have some experience in local politics...everyone complains, but few actually communicate with their representatives...therefore, those that do, get heard and responded to. This happens far more often than naysayers who think everything is fixed and they don't have a voice would care to acknowledge.

    It is true - you CAN make a difference.
    Despite what you read on this site, we are in the Golden Age of Snowmobiling.
    Our trails are in good to excellent condition 90% + of the time.
    Our clubs are, for the most part, well-run by dedicated volunteers and leadership.
    Grooming is pretty consistent across the State.
    Your sled is likely the most comfortable, reliable and fuel efficient snowmobile you've ever owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TODDLB View Post
    When is the next meeting Carol ?
    April 4
    5pm
    Lowville court house
    Winona Forest Snowmobile Club
    Pulaski Boylston Snowmobile Club
    Redfield Snowmobile Club



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    Quote Originally Posted by orangef7 View Post
    Or maybe they don't want the residents of Lewis county to know how much of their tax money they are going to have to spend on enforcement.

    Seems to me that a properly administered enforcement program that actually wrote tickets and judges that upheld the law 100% instead of dismissal of summonses should pay for it's self and could actually make money and be positive cash flow for the county.
    "Persistent Violator"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom View Post
    Seems to me that a properly administered enforcement program that actually wrote tickets and judges that upheld the law 100% instead of dismissal of summonses should pay for it's self and could actually make money and be positive cash flow for the county.

    But what does it mean to uphold the law 100%? Do you feel that every ticket that is issued is a fair ticket? Citizens of the United States are still considered innocent until proven guilty. The court system is not supposed to be a tax collector whose job is to balance county budgets........ I understand that politicians would disagree with my last statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orangef7 View Post
    But what does it mean to uphold the law 100%? Do you feel that every ticket that is issued is a fair ticket? Citizens of the United States are still considered innocent until proven guilty. The court system is not supposed to be a tax collector whose job is to balance county budgets........ I understand that politicians would disagree with my last statement.
    IMO the only legitimate reason for dismissal would be if someone could not produce their paperwork and was able to prove that they actually were registered and insured at the time the summons was issued.

    Speeding, Tresspassing (Riding off trail, etc.) SWI, Failure to keep right, Failure to display registration numbers and of course modified exhaust should be irrevocable offenses.
    They could also double all fines and court costs.

    Also Failure to yield to groomer should be irrevocable of course.
    "Persistent Violator"

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrwellianCamper View Post
    Thanks for keeping us in the loop. I would not have seen this article otherwise.

    Big picture:
    Those that contacted legislators and law enforcement have had an impact. The fact that this discussion is occurring is a result of the handful of people on this site, semi-coordinated by Carol and Todd, that took the time to make a call and/or drop a line.

    I have some experience in local politics...everyone complains, but few actually communicate with their representatives...therefore, those that do, get heard and responded to. This happens far more often than naysayers who think everything is fixed and they don't have a voice would care to acknowledge.

    It is true - you CAN make a difference.
    OC, you are correct. We CAN and DID. I was told this is a direct result of the phone calls, emails, and communication with LE and Legislators. Thanks to all who took the time to make a difference.
    Winona Forest Snowmobile Club
    Pulaski Boylston Snowmobile Club
    Redfield Snowmobile Club



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    Carol, Do they have theses meetings every month or so ? It was to short of a notice for me to come up for the one yesterday.
    Im confused, wait... maybe i'm not.

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    http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/n...ement-20180311

    LOWVILLE — Lewis County officials are bullish about their beefed-up snowmobile patrol this winter and intend to expand other recreational enforcement efforts over the rest of the year.

    “It’s been a helluva turnaround this winter,” Legislator Jerry H. King, R-West Leyden, said at Thursday’s Courts and Law Committee meeting.

    Undersheriff Jason A. McIntosh reported that the department’s snowmobile patrol last winter effectively consisted of a couple of officers working 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. on weekends, but this year has featured three to five officers working on Thursdays through Sundays and “wing nights” at various times to avoid predictability.

    “This year, we’ve been running them out there around the clock,” Mr. McIntosh said.

    The number of miles put on the department’s snowmobiles has increased dramatically and sled patrol expenses have jumped from $6,300 to $17,000, or nearly the half the department’s $40,000 budget, he said.

    Since the county’s 2018 budget was developed, the state has increased reimbursement for snowmobile patrol expenses from 50 percent to 75 percent, so that line item could be raised later in the year without any impact on the cost to local taxpayers, County Manager Ryan M. Piche said.

    Mr. King said he has heard good things about the increased police presence on the trails. “As you get around, I’ve been hearing a lot of compliments that it seems to be settling down,” he said.

    Sheriff Michael P. Carpinelli said he has also heard from business owners that they are seeing more families out snowmobiling this winter. “That was great to hear,” he said.

    The sheriff commended part-time Deputy Michael K. Leviker, who has operated recreational patrols for many years, for continuing to offer his expertise while relinquishing scheduling and oversight to a road patrol sergeant.

    The sheriff’s department for the past few years has gotten free use of a snowmobile through a loaner program at Smith Marine in Old Forge, but that program may not be available in coming years if no purchases are made, Mr. McIntosh said.

    With the county having a couple of main snowmobiles and a few old ones primarily used as backups, the undersheriff said he would like to start buying the loaner sleds — for a 30 percent discount price of $8.721.80 — at the end of the season and retiring some of the old ones, particularly if the state will partially reimburse that expense.

    Looking ahead to all-terrain-vehicle season, Mr. McIntosh said he is also looking to purchase a couple of side-by-side utility vehicles for roughly $30,000 — with the state hopefully reimbursing some of that — as the department’s lone ATV is a 2001 Polaris. “In three years, it will be an antique,” he said.

    While the UTVs would be over the weight limit to register in New York state, they would be emergency vehicles and exempt from that provision, Mr. McIntosh said. Having UTVs would make it easier to carry passengers, including lawbreakers, and they could have winches to rescue stranded ATVs, he said.

    Committee members suggested that requests be sent to dealers for any requested vehicles and the matter be passed along to the Ways and Means Committee to determine the appropriate funding mechanism.

    “It’s worth it,” said Committee Chairman Gregory M. Kulzer, R-West Lowville. “The Snirt Run is coming up.”

    While the department may not have time to purchase the UTVs by the April 21 event, there will be a strong police presence there regardless, Sheriff Carpinelli said.

    On a better note, the department’s two boats are in good shape and don’t need to be replaced, Mr. McIntosh said.

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    Shouldn't law enforcement purchase "legal" utvs, you could still add a winch to them for recovery.

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